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		<title>By: Rose Rosetree</title>
		<link>http://www.rightreading.com/blog/2008/04/16/book-design-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-40080</link>
		<dc:creator>Rose Rosetree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would humbly suggest a typesetting compromise. Hire a cover designer. Then typeset the interior on your own.

If you&#039;re flush, you could hire the designer to give you style sheets -- a design for the interior -- using the typesetting software of your choice. Learn a system like InDesign and then do that interior typesetting on your own.

A more low-end, but probably perfectly acceptable, substitute would be to typeset the interior with Microsoft Word. Just remember to use a contrasting typeface, sans serif, for the title of each poem, and then a compatible, readable font, with serifs, for the body of the book.

Since we&#039;re talking poetry, we&#039;re not talking footnotes or tables, right?

Don&#039;t let yourself be stopped by high fees for typesetting, but do be sure to find a good professional. If you email me, I&#039;ll give you the name of the designer for my last three covers. 

Or, if it is acceptable, I&#039;ll mention her here: Melanie Matheson from www.rollingrhino.com. No financial interest here. I just adore her work, enjoy working with her, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would humbly suggest a typesetting compromise. Hire a cover designer. Then typeset the interior on your own.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re flush, you could hire the designer to give you style sheets &#8212; a design for the interior &#8212; using the typesetting software of your choice. Learn a system like InDesign and then do that interior typesetting on your own.</p>
<p>A more low-end, but probably perfectly acceptable, substitute would be to typeset the interior with Microsoft Word. Just remember to use a contrasting typeface, sans serif, for the title of each poem, and then a compatible, readable font, with serifs, for the body of the book.</p>
<p>Since we&#8217;re talking poetry, we&#8217;re not talking footnotes or tables, right?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let yourself be stopped by high fees for typesetting, but do be sure to find a good professional. If you email me, I&#8217;ll give you the name of the designer for my last three covers. </p>
<p>Or, if it is acceptable, I&#8217;ll mention her here: Melanie Matheson from <a href="http://www.rollingrhino.com" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.rollingrhino.com?referer=');">http://www.rollingrhino.com</a>. No financial interest here. I just adore her work, enjoy working with her, too.</p>
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		<title>By: xensen</title>
		<link>http://www.rightreading.com/blog/2008/04/16/book-design-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-39730</link>
		<dc:creator>xensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard

Wait, poets get &lt;i&gt;paid?&lt;/i&gt;

I think we are generally out of the realm of financial logic when we are discussing the economics of publishing poetry.

But you point out the basic dilemma of independent publishing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard</p>
<p>Wait, poets get <i>paid?</i></p>
<p>I think we are generally out of the realm of financial logic when we are discussing the economics of publishing poetry.</p>
<p>But you point out the basic dilemma of independent publishing.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.rightreading.com/blog/2008/04/16/book-design-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-39726</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excluding celebrities (by which I mean Jewel, not Seamus Heaney), there are perhaps 10 living American poets capable of selling enough books that 3 out of 4 of these prices would permit the book to breakeven.

Phrased another way, are we sure it&#039;s rational to pay the designer 10 times what we&#039;re paying the poet?

Note that I&#039;ve zero issue with those numbers as such—if the book sales can support it, fantastic. But the hypothetical example is one in which it is virtually impossible to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excluding celebrities (by which I mean Jewel, not Seamus Heaney), there are perhaps 10 living American poets capable of selling enough books that 3 out of 4 of these prices would permit the book to breakeven.</p>
<p>Phrased another way, are we sure it&#8217;s rational to pay the designer 10 times what we&#8217;re paying the poet?</p>
<p>Note that I&#8217;ve zero issue with those numbers as such—if the book sales can support it, fantastic. But the hypothetical example is one in which it is virtually impossible to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Well, nobody can accuse book designers of price fixing. &#171; India, Ink.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Well, nobody can accuse book designers of price fixing. &#171; India, Ink.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The results? Each different, like a snowflake: $3,100, $8,000, $8,800, and $12,800. See Tom&#8217;s post for each designer&#8217;s breakdown of charges: rightreading: Book design fees. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The results? Each different, like a snowflake: $3,100, $8,000, $8,800, and $12,800. See Tom&#8217;s post for each designer&#8217;s breakdown of charges: rightreading: Book design fees. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the clarification on the type of publishers. 

You should certainly come down to Buenos Aires someday. It&#039;s a great city with a dynamic literary culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the clarification on the type of publishers. </p>
<p>You should certainly come down to Buenos Aires someday. It&#8217;s a great city with a dynamic literary culture.</p>
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		<title>By: xensen</title>
		<link>http://www.rightreading.com/blog/2008/04/16/book-design-fees/comment-page-1/#comment-39461</link>
		<dc:creator>xensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff

Designer A mostly works with university presses. Designer B tends to work with commercial trade publishers. Designers C and D do a lot of work with museums and other art book publishers.

BTW, I have translated Cortazar and some other Argentine writers, but I have never been to Buenos Aires. I would love to visit some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff</p>
<p>Designer A mostly works with university presses. Designer B tends to work with commercial trade publishers. Designers C and D do a lot of work with museums and other art book publishers.</p>
<p>BTW, I have translated Cortazar and some other Argentine writers, but I have never been to Buenos Aires. I would love to visit some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s quite a range. My first thought - based on designers B, C, D - is that we&#039;re undercharging. Then again, our current location provides a significant reduction in overhead costs. 

My assumption is that designer A probably works more with self-publishers and small presses and the others with larger, commercial publishers. (Also, from these rates it&#039;s clear why there is a problem in university publishing). 

For internationally-based designers like us, it poses a dilemma as whether to increase pricing to the evident expectations of  commercial publishers (as reflected by designers B, C, D) or to retain a pricing structure reflective of local costs though none of our customers are local.

I&#039;ve noticed in Web design that fees are mostly consistent for quality designers regardless of location.  Perhaps that will be true for book designers also as book design expands into the global market. Or, the global market simply drive down the cost of book design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s quite a range. My first thought &#8211; based on designers B, C, D &#8211; is that we&#8217;re undercharging. Then again, our current location provides a significant reduction in overhead costs. </p>
<p>My assumption is that designer A probably works more with self-publishers and small presses and the others with larger, commercial publishers. (Also, from these rates it&#8217;s clear why there is a problem in university publishing). </p>
<p>For internationally-based designers like us, it poses a dilemma as whether to increase pricing to the evident expectations of  commercial publishers (as reflected by designers B, C, D) or to retain a pricing structure reflective of local costs though none of our customers are local.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed in Web design that fees are mostly consistent for quality designers regardless of location.  Perhaps that will be true for book designers also as book design expands into the global market. Or, the global market simply drive down the cost of book design.</p>
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